Collaboration on Ninbot/Ninjam

hi eric, yes its a good idea,but even those sites do exist,and they worth a check for sure(im already a kompozer ;)for any project you'd like to develop,its easy to upload to any free storage site, like 4shared,etc where you can create a public folder where people can download and upload their work,and posting the links here,explaining about song desired direction,etc to atract posible collaborations from ninbot buddies

hammer: been thinking a lot about improv and how being in the moment is crucial, but sometimes quite abstract. I began to impose form upon a sometimes very chaotic stream. Perhaps for playability because playability is sustainability? Granted by virtue of recordings we can listen to what we've done but who else will listen? How much form is too much?

anyway thanks for initiating these ideas here.

It would be nice:)

Yeah I think we practiced enough :)

I bet we could make a song with "a minor - d major" progression... i think we have All practiced that one far too much?!?!>

A and D allow for so much playability, even a mistake can become a note in A and D, and F as well but F starts making it a ballad with the A and D as well.

NINJAM does it already if people set to multi part record but else Kompoz is already there which does it good.

But what Synthany said about being in the moment, or something along them lines but I think I understood correct how she meant.
Being in the Moment is sometimes what brings stuff out so my question Eric would be a song from NINJAMing, a song in NINJAM or a song on Kompoz or similar from offline records?

I'd be interested to see how it turns out and how you mean it should be done.

What I mean is being in the moment in Ninjam gives the creativity and the ideas. But they are just raw.. You can listen it back en adjust it if you've got it multitrackrecorded. Still an unpolished snippet of a ninjamsession remains. I agree that its quite difficult for experimental jams with no form and maybe not even an option.
I think its interesting to polish such a snippet and make a complete real song with the fellow ninjammers. Everyone who has a part in this jam or can add something to it or replay its own track.
And where its been done I don't mind. The point is to work on stuff with fellow ninjammers. I think Kompoz has good tools and you can create a Ninjamgroup there.
Thanks for all your replies I appreciate it ;)

Music is my best friend and it will be my last..

sure

i thought about hooking up that ninjam group at kompoz a couple months ago....but dont seemed to be great interest for it in the whole kompoz site,by the few,and even negative responses to some blogs talking about ninjam...ppl just see it so weird stuff ....as happened to me at the beggining lol
but now if some already ninjam users are interested, may be its time to go

Well if its just Ninjaming to a more organized form that's cool, I'm up for that.. How would it work, just jams, we discuss in server what is good and what would be better then try to achieve?
Or someone orchestrate others or covers songs?

Or would you want to create a proper studio environment?

First the idea starts online. Somebody says hey thats a nice piece ;)!!
And then each start to work om it according the collabrules in a kind of studiosession separately and mix it.

BTW created a private group on compoz. You must add yourself as a member and ask to join ;)

kompoz.com/site/Ninjamaddict

or
http://www.kompoz.com/compose-collaborate/home.minisite?siteUri=Ninjamad...

Music is my best friend and it will be my last..

I joined it Eric but I hunted for a while but couldn't see how to add people as friends on it. :|
I couldn't with Ben and Oubien either, with ben I've followed a project of his to add him that way but his not added as a friend as I see no options to add a person as a friend, even from there profile page.

I joined it too but doesn´t show up as a member..

I´m Peter in Kompoz....

Perhaps you need to accept us or something ..

(Damit.. I think I´ve got all letters in right order and every letter is there) He ha ho..

//Peace

I've got to approve the new members of the group.
After I've done that your a member.
So I've approved and now its ok ;)

You can invite people by sending them an (bulk)email and they just have to ask to join and because I've made the group private(only ninjammers) permission is needed.
There is a possibility to make a private project which will cost some money or a public project.
The group is only for ninjammers but other kompozmembers can download our tracks or finished song if its public.
Private is only worthwhile if you want to copyright stuff and want to make a nr.1 hit ;)

Music is my best friend and it will be my last..

i had this kind of idea few time ago since i maybe have 30Go or more of ideas on my computer that need to be remade.
i even made a forum for it, its not online anymore but i have a backup, does it interest you ?
i will set it up again on my little server asap, you will see.
peace
cya

here it is
http://noals.net/forum

this is how i wanted to start it but i kinda gave up as fast as i made it...
its a forum anyway, i can change it as i want or give right to some people to do so as well.
i will check ur kompoz and v-band stuff.
cya

that forum is a good tool noals, nice player with download button included. any info on how to get it?
and listened to the song...mmm no title,the one you lost in cubase...a bit speedy imo,but very nice!

http://www.phpbb3bbcodes.com for cool phpbb codes.
yeah the song was kinda a mastering test, you can hear some others stuff from me on myspace + few recent jam made on ninjam but there are a lot of stuff i didnt recorded yet like some of my compo i play with u sometime on ninjam. (i dont really like to record myself)
http://www.myspace.com/noals_underground

anyway, yeah the forum is a nice tool but it seem nobody wanna register in it lol.
come on guys, it was done especialy for music collaboration and we can edit it as we want.
isnt it what you want ?
ok the domain name isnt the best maybe but i didnt though about that when i rent my little server. maybe we can use a thing to redirect it or something.

we could use this forum + http://www.fileden.com/ for music upload, its a good free hoster for files.

cya

No forum not needed, that's what this is, and its only a phpbb standard install not sure what would be gained apart from people spread thinner.

The file storage is nice but only 50mb max file.

If people wanted to do it then Kompoz already has it there but I'm confused about it all, it's NINJAM's but it isn't, then it is then it isn't.

Better still just do session mode in NINJAM with the servers sessions dir ftp accessible.

I'm sure Tom with a little tinkering could make a nice page that NINBOT members could access the FTP dir of a NINBOT Session server.
Then from there maybe later could be added some website stuff to show it a bit like kompoz or allow someone to upload a mix.

We could maybe have a bit on Ninjamers too to show NINBOT's latest Session Mixes.

yeah, my forum is "only" a standard phpbb3 install, simple, flexible, user friendly and effective for communities.

i dont know about "thinner" but i can see there is a forum here already if i get your point + one on ninjamer no ? + one on the official cockos website + one in kompoz now with a validation needed to be member...
good part about kompoz is that it allow 75Mo max per files but i dont really like how its made, a little confusing.

personnaliy i think that if we want to compose and make music together we better agree on a band per music for exemple, then the band agree on a music + agree on its "architecture" (not sure how to say that) and then we just do rehearsal like any band but on ninjam til we have the song well done and recorded as we want.
we can use reaper to record our stuff with our own sync, every musician can mix the song, upload it wherever and we can vote or something to keep the best mix that will need later changes or not.

an ftp access to the session server to upload ? why ?
arent there enough mean to upload files on the net ? i dont know Tom and he surely a good guy but what i know is that servers arent free.

who start ? with who ? when ? for what ?
i think thats why we need a forum, to communicate about that or whatever because yeah we need to communicate and i dont see any reason why it shouldnt be open to anyone that want to join or create something as i also think that ninjam is one thing (a tool here for instance) and what we wonna do is something else.

i propose some kind of concept with my forum (or without it anyway), that we can change at our liking.
any better ideas ? my forum is open to anyone or to any changes and my ears are all yours.

peace

Sorry if I sounded rude before noals, I wasn't trying to be but I find it hard to express in text without making it sound offending.
But all I meant is relabelling what's already there under another name isn't what this was about, it was about creating some group music a bit more professionally.
So having an extra forum wouldn't be of any benefit as another forum won't make the music creation any easier, only one more place to have to visit.

The FTP would give access to the Session Servers Recordings for offline mixing, this way people could join a session, play some tracks and another could just pop into the ftp and pick up the new records to mix in.
This would keep it in a multi-track format and allow for gradual creation of a track similar to Kompoz, but in a true multi-track environment.

When I mentioned Ninjamers I merely meant that like with how the NINBOT latest activity is shown over there, I could also show latest Session Activity too if it was available in a RSS feed.
Then people passing by Ninjamers would see, could then click and be on the NINBOT page able to access the latest session records.

But I am not suggesting people should go to Ninjamers, NINBOT has it's own Servers, Ninjamers doesn't, Ninjamers is more about getting what we do out there and a place to show it off. NINBOT is more personal and the other side to the servers. Ninjamers only has Zorap and huddle which could be used for collaboration but no as good as going into a NINBOT Session Server then possibly being able to access the sessions records via ftp. As for cost, Tom already has the server and FTP would be no different than using the player and playing an edit, or NINBOT record. It possibly could all be less bandwidth than a Normal mode server.

I don't know if sessions are saved in a session mode server, if they were then I guess someone could just pop back in to a session, but still sometimes someone might want to just grab the latest records and work on them. Having a download access to records saves having to go in the server every time just to get latest adds. People can see ya in there then come in and start chatting, and when you just want to grab latest adds it turns 5 mins to 1 hour etc. So people could possibly put it off till later etc, sometimes were pressed for times and coming here, downloading and getting a little offline mixing done would be better at times.

See :), trying to not sound rude and explain more takes longer and more text for people to read.

PS: if things could be added to session mode I'd suggest a vote mode to allow a leader of a session to be voted, then a vote mode to change session and for sessions to be saved for vote reloading at later times then the leader if in could override a vote to change session is say a group of people are in working on there track then another group comes in and tries voting another session. Either that or people booked session time through the site, in case it became busy later. This shows how downloading session records outside of the Session Server would benefit.

dont worry about rudeness.
i got your point even if Kompoz still confuse me in some ways. i kinda insist about phpbb because for me its one of the best forum and i really feel confortable using it.
anyway, i maybe still had 1L of whisky in my blood when i answered yerterday, i just start to picture how we can make it with recorded track on ninjam as base and re-recording offline + mixing through i still have in mind : "what about arrangement and structure of a song" but i guess we will see that while doing stuff.

im kinda "busy minded" those days, im starting game programming again and i need to sort all my music stuff + reinstalling some because of a system restoration i did few time ago but i think i will propose few project later.
cya.

kompoz is dead easy to use (ive been more than 2 years there lol)...you just create a project, and upload there the tracks,any member can download them,and upload to the project their additions,the rest is common sense of how a multitrack recording is usually made,and ppl will need basics of how a DAW is used...about the syncing method, there are a variety of sync tones availables, but a few clicks from the metro or a hihat should work too ....mmm and just lining up tracks at 0 time on the daw works too, only to be careful of render em always from the same start point in relation with the origin track lenght.....does my broken english maskes sense? :)

No, how many eggs do I add, I'm confused, have I used too much flour?

:D
I like phpbb too Noals, seen some good sites made with it.

FANTASTIC TOM! :)

I got the RSS of NINBOT on Ninjamers and it shows latest Jams, you lick the Jam, it gives you option to download MP3 or each person's audio individually. :)

Can I ask if the it could be put to its own RSS feed as it will roll on and pushes of latest NINBOT forum posts, new vids, pics and members etc. off the screen.
I can give it is own space in the middle of the page then with a little more room and explanation as to what it is.

For anyone who didn't know the nice extra Tom has just made for us well click this link or check NINBOT Latest box on Ninjamers.
http://ninbot.com/tracks/201001251103-andymc-oliv-ninjaz-squeak-labbekak...

It looks like mp3 link but it leads to mp3 and all others tracks individually.

If I jumped the gun here Tom I'm sorry m8. Its so Fantastic. :)
I can really see this being such a big thing for people, we can just jam now and mix from it proper, if people come in making a mess it won't matter as just groups audio can be grabbed and remixed.
NINBOT Servers can be used almost like a LIVE STUDIO now, so people can go in together, make some takes and others can mix in REAPER or other DAWs then upload some of there tracks.

Remember Guys & Girls, Tom ain't a sugar daddy, he needs cash to keep the repo guys away.
Also REAPER is not free if ya using it to Mix etc, and it's pretty cheap for what ya get, and ya can feel happy inside that you gave something back.

Oh also Tom, does the NINBOT player still do playlists? If so would it be possible to add the ogg's or.and the mp3 to the playlist in it?
Would be a handy to play when going through a few Jams to sorta shove them too there then after we could go to the player and browse through them to find what we wanted then remove what's not wanted from the playlist.
Or maybe the NINBOT player show up with the mp3 and ogg's.

It's really good m8, really great work. :)

Yeah still very untested.
And the disk space will be an issue soon.

http://ninbot.com/tracks to browse.

impressive, thx.

impressive! ....and as andy said, we'd need to be concious that all this doesnt stand by the air,we need to consideer a donation more seriously,as we are enjoying the cake :)

...what about bpm info for the jams? yes, there could be several bpm changes in a jam, but also is not the most common thing,may be ninbot could split recordings when a new bpm is set....or it does already?

so,great new feature!

If (nearly) everyone shuts up whilst BPM is changed for enough measures, then the recording will get split. Given that changing BPM or BPI is pretty drastic in NINJAM, I'd vote for splitting the recordings on a change and maybe tagging the MP3s with the info - in the name if necessary. Nice idea.

Where's this RSS, then? I'm not seeing the RSS logo or am I missing something?

Would a bpm tag in mp3 name be possible? Doesn't need to be in every ogg name.

I still think for space issue you could del old jams based on lack of votes, also since last listen and non edits of etc.
So if someone Adds to there playlist, votes, comments or edits then these remain but others that are not listened too for a period and not any of the above get purged.
If people know older non used tracks will eventually be deleted they will download, add to there playlist or make an edit of.
We all Jam so much we really don't need to keep some of the old crap we never listen to anyway. I'm sure there be some Gems in there but IMO this multi track audio is more important than gigs of old Jams no one does or will ever listen too.
Only other way is to Archive some how and have a script move old tracks that haven't been touched for so long based on a db that the play writes to when a track is played, then when its moved it can maybe leave details of which archive and lets a user know its archived, then if they really want it u could maybe retrieve it and attach to a message or somit.
Blueray might be the answer but its still pretty pricey way to archive.

So we got a choice now, do we pay to keep stuff archived or let it be del'd?
I'd personally prefer money to go to NINBOT up keep and old stuff deleted if its not in the edits or being streamed.

Hard disk is cheaper than backup media for "archiving" -- it's cheaper keeping it accessible... or deleting it. (1Tb HD ~ £60/$95; 20 x 50Gb bluray disks ~ £190 / $300) There's a hell of a lot of sh*t, as Andy rightly says! I try to comment all mine... just so I know I've listened to them; if they're bad, I'll say so :), if there's an edit there, I'll try it (the resurrected jams were still not working in edits last time I tried). And if I really like something, I add it to my local play list.

$10 a year from ten people buys a Tb and more each year... But I bet tom's not getting $100 a year.