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To be or not to be... friendly?

There have been a few older threads discussing the value/necessity of saying "Hello" when entering a jam (or when someone enters a jam), and although the general consensus was that it is good form to do so, others made the point that some home setups might not lend themselves to chatting (drums in a separate room from the computer, etc). So I guess the upshot is... we can't/shouldn't take offense if someone does not return our "Hello", as they simply may not be paying attention to the chat. (I believe it was rAzzel that summed it up by saying "Making a sound is 'hi' enough for me.".)

This, and Andy's recent "Dr" initiative, has got me thinking again about Internet rudeness (aka YouTube Commentators Syndrome) and I've always meant to jot something down about it, so please pardon the stream of consciousness-ness...

There's a school of philosophical thought (tongue-in-cheek, I think) that says "You should believe in God" based of a risk/return assessment of your options, like so:

  • You believe in God & God actually exists = You Win!
  • You believe in God & God does not exist = Neutral outcome
  • You do not believe in God & God does not exist = Neutral outcome (unless you count getting to feel smug as a positive)
  • You do not believe in God & God does exist = You Lose!

In short, believing in God has no negative returns while not believing in God has a negative return, so you should believe in God. (Yeah, yeah, but which God, you say? A question for another rant...! :P)

I suspect that this same pedantic chain of thought can be applied to Internet rudeness, so let's see:

  • Someone is actually being a dick & you think they are being a dick = You Win! You can be a dick right back with no trouble to your conscience
  • Someone is actually being a dick & you do not realize they are being a dick = Neutral outcome, as your responses will not escalate any conflict (you may come off sounding like Gomer Pile, "Aw shucks...", but I wasn't sure if that counts as a negative)
  • Someone is not being a dick & you do not think they are being a dick = Neutral outcome
  • Someone is not being a dick & you think they are being a dick = You Lose! If you respond negatively, you are now the dick!

So does that mean, no matter what anyone says to you on the Internet, you should always assume they are not being a dick and respond positively, as this course of action has no negative consequences? Like Gandhi's policy of non-violence applied to written communication... (Gandhi didn't mind conflict/disagreement, though, hmm... maybe on the Internet words are actions?)

Re-reading I'm wondering if

Re-reading I'm wondering if that's just a complicated variant of "Don't feed the trolls"... :P

I've come to appreciate that

I've come to appreciate that the best thing about Ninjam is how everybody effectively just S'sTFU and "gets on with it" so as to simply JAM! right there in the moment "live".
As a result I am less personally offended by anyone's lack of communication or otherwise implied degree of "unfriendliness".

Music is all about communication. If I truly hate someone, I will play a polka beat.

mmmm....you got me to think,

mmmm....you got me to think, anonymouse....Our brain has two different places where it proceses logic thinking (Cerebral cortex) and feelings (amigdala). So why do you think human response to logic follows the same rule as faith (I'm assuming faith is a kind of guttural thing) if it is processed by different pieces?
following your train of thought lets make your body process some food, lets say a piece of pizza. There is a evolutionary path we all know...mouth, stomach, etc. But you are suggesting with your argument the pizza is processed by your ears. mmmmmmm.......don't think you'll get anywhere.

In my opinion Faith is a matter of belief, not of rational thinking. It is more like love than mathematics, can't "understand" it, so I'm afraid your logic has a correct development, but it is processing the wrong argument.

Then I have a question for you......do I think you are a dick?

take your time.............

rationally speaking, of course no!

Have a great day

Way to apply Pascal's Wager

Way to apply Pascal's Wager to Internet Trollery. That is probably a better application for it anyway. ;)

I agree that grettings are unimportant; musical communication is all that is necessary. There always seems to be something to do even if I'm not playing an instrument: syncing, tuning, changing guitar sound, patching a synth, adjusting mix settings, sequencing a new drum loop, eq'ing that loop, etc. Chatting too much just distracts me from the jamming. If people want to hang out and chat thats awesome though.

I know that online personal abuse really sucks but there isn't much that can be done about it. Just keep in mind that the person trolling/abusing doesn't really know you, so it like an anonymous attack on an anonymous person. Its like two blind people telling each other they're ugly. Thats why you shouldn't take it personally. If someone you know is giving you crap then thats a little different.

...as for Pascal's

...as for Pascal's Wager...

According to this logic, you should believe in the God which:

1) Rewards you the most if you do believe.
2) Punishes you the most if you don't believe.

Pascal's strength was not theology.

I think the question for

I think the question for some is in their answers. Knowingly not greeting or saying hi to allow others to greet you is in itself a selfish act.
No one has to say hi, no one has the right to tell people to say hi, we have the right to rant about rudeness of people not saying hi, its lazy and rude. I will stop playing one hand, stop singing (making noise) and say hi on the mic and well will always unless very distracted make the effort to welcome someone into that there then group. It doesn't take much to say hi, hello, welcome and so on, and it makes others feel good about themselves and better towards others. If someone can click connect then agree and check out which server to connect to then type hi aint much more effort. Sure a drummer could be stuck behind his drums reaching for the mouse, so I think many would excuse drummers if they didn't. But we have to remember we're joining a server with other PEOPLE and playing with them to try make something good. It's not a program that just gives random sound for someone to play too, might as well gets some midi files or mp3's if that's all ya want.

As for Faith, I believe that faith is where someone connects within, so they connect to themselves which then allows them to connect to others. People might look on at this and just think don't you understand but the thing is it doesn't matter, they are content within and it's not for us to judge others unless another's actions result in harming ourselves.
There's far too much judging =, and most of us do it, its just them times we need to stop, sit back and realise what we're doing. Happy People don't need to find faults with others, they normally want to encourage others, people who do judge others normally feel some form of guilt which leads to feeling unhappy.

This might sound crazy but I really do believe in Karma, only from my own experiences, that good things do happen to good people and bad things to bad people. But I think sometimes people think there good but just ignore there bads so then feel wronged when bad things happen to them.

Now could everybody HUMMMMMmmmmmmmmm... and have a group hug.

As for believing in God, well yes I do but not like some. When I hear people come to the door selling their gods to me they just constantly contradict themselves and leave gaping holes in there beliefs, or partial beliefs, then they try to fill the holes with smoke, as if to hide even from themselves.
Then when pushed on these holes they just use the classic all round fix of, well that's where you have to have faith, and some you can see haven't found god and are maybe just trying to be part of something.
If we really are meant to find god should someone be telling us how too? And when people say god has sent them, well I'm sure if after this long of people not buying that one god would have worked out a better plan.
I think they all have there merits and contradictions, but if the more common sense and practical things were pull from most into one religion then I think this could succeed and it needs to partially follow obvious factual science and not theory.

I think if I created something like this, I would want to do it to see it become and be proud of my creation in all its glories, could you imagine if every time you looked they just kept calling you and wanting to be just on at you 24/7. I'd feel something went wrong and try do things to distract them from me. :)

Oh and Jon do I think your a focking prick?

No I don't. :P :)

Dogs are friendly...just ask

Dogs are friendly...just ask Mullet guy and Mr. Fluffy in my picture --->

If you use the Monty Hall

If you use the Monty Hall algorithm you would
switch gods as often as you can as well.

Applying this to ninjam is also easy, just
switch servers as often as possible....

Dont forget to say Hi.

Hi Andy and others! It is

Hi Andy and others!
It is true that since a few months, the atmosphere and the behavior of the users of Ninbot takes away me more and more!
When I come it is to make some music, not to make some education. It and that which misses in someone: the education.... It is more the fault of their parents, and there you waste time making of the psychology because you do not have to deal with them!
Finally let us remain positive and let us show the example.....
Best regards
Bilos Strat.ø¤º°*°º¤ø

Pascal's Wager... thank you

Pascal's Wager... thank you Karl, I knew I should have done some leg-work before hand... I think I was wrong to say that his argument was tongue-in-cheek, it sounds like he thought it was sound reasoning:
As to the question of God "reason is incapable of divining the truth"; thus, a decision of whether or not to believe must be made by "considering the consequences of each possibility"...

I had forgotten this as well, but we actually have Pascal to thank for our wonderful Ninjam (and Internet Trollery too, I suppose...), as the inventor of the first mechanical calculator his work formed the basis for Babbage's difference and analytical engines, the first computers...

Push mute, not hurt I'm

Push mute, not hurt

I'm RUSSIAN, talked with GOOGLE TRANSLATOR. Thank you for your words:
"Music is all about communication."

I am intrigued by the

I am intrigued by the ambiguity but none the less certain there's an app for that!
I enjoy every jam on every server just with different levels of enjoyment. Playing Music is my meditation

It's ok if somebody cannot

It's ok if somebody cannot say "hello" or "hi" to me (might be busy, play ,etc) however I can't stand the ..black-humored comments instead of it...

http://www.myspace.com/555834355

I vote Ghandi, Zen, &

I vote Ghandi, Zen, & Gomer... you don't get dick from anything else.

BTW, If there is a god they must be very big.

Cheers

hi there :) 100% agree with

hi there :)

100% agree with Mutant saying "Music is all about communication. If I truly hate someone, I will play a polka beat."

and 100% agree with Tom suggesting to switch server more often

"in medio stat virtus"
my two cents :
with no need to get angry with others, when non-violent communication doesn't pay back, switch to another server surely does with gain for the brew's ingredients variety as side effect

ps: i've always been nosy bout how can drummers manage to use a keyboard beween their service pans array :)

this is an interesting

this is an interesting thread.
Mutant asked me to say hello before jamming.
I'm sorry if I came across rude and didn't type back 'hello' mutant. I usually just try and say hello with the guitar.
Was watching the chat screen every time I entered a new server with you but didn't think that I was being rude. Hence the 90% communication lost through body language over the net. I was actually thinking "geez hes a nice guy saying hello... I better play something to let him know I'm here.. and not stuff up because hes a good drummer"

I actually didn't think to type back!
Did enjoy the jam thoroughly though!

Oh great... this old thread

Oh great... this old thread is dug up and its somehow my fault...AGAIN.

Hi mutant ::))

Hi mutant ::))

right back at ya... hi.

right back at ya...

hi.

hi everyone.

hi everyone.