NINJAM recording not flat - bass light? Is NINBOT the same?

It's more likely to be in the MP3 settings than the mix settings, I'd have thought?

MP3 settings where?

In the AutoJam code, I guess.

So what's the drum's excuse for being so loud?? ;^)

I just had another thought on this (which I'll post here as it could apply to the way ninbot mixer works).

The AutoJam mixer has to avoid clipping.

It doesn't have a lot of intelligence, however. As far as I can tell, it has a couple of strategies - pan and lower the volume. Obviously, panning will only get you so far (and it keeps the pan position fairly central).

It will apply pan to individual players, as far as I can tell.

However, the "lower the volume" approach appears somewhat indiscriminate. So, if the bass had been at a sensible level but two lead parts are filling the available dBs, it's going to get reduced in volume along with everything else.

That's going to end up sounding a lot different to what you heard when the two lead parts were getting hard clipped with the bass sitting at its natural level.

From what I've heard, the ninbot mixer doesn't use the panning strategy. I'm not sure whether it does anything other than record the individual streams and sum them to stereo (i.e. hard clip).

Okay guess I'll chime in.

About ninbot recording, yes its all flat no eq added.
Also ninbot doesnt autolevel, just sums the channels like
a regular ninjam client would.

I havent noticed any clipping on tracks that was epidemic.
Really the only downside seems to be that tracks can vary
a lot in loudness (ie be too quiet sometimes) Welcome any
opinions on this.

Panning, YES....ninbot will pan your ASS.
If you have 1 channel... it will put it center.
If you have 2 or more it will alternate them Left
Right at I think 60 or 70%

If you have the Letter L, R or C in your channel name, ninbot will
put the channel left or right. Good to know for those of
you putting your theory of the universe as your channel name.

The panning was pretty important. As a lot of us know the
way panning works in the ninjam client is that when people
with multiple channels join, we all have to physically pan
them left or right or they are too loud.

One thing I wonder is if it would sound cool
if we put players in virtual in circle on the recording.
(might add more separation between players and give
a nice spacial feel)

interesting stuff...now i know why sometimes i hear my drums weirdly panned to one side only....even being a stereo channel what im running from reaninjam...?

echo....lol sorry

I don't think it's flat.

Having said that I will run a test with pink noise and a sweep and see what it says.

I am trying to test the flatness of the recording capability of NINJAM and am running in to problems. I am using pink and white noise loops. Neither of the two tests show up in the NINJAM recoding lists. There was one other person on both times. is it possible there is a minimum duration these sessions have to be? is it 3 minutes?

The two files I captured, but were not on the NINJAM site recorder were

20100802_1700 and 200100802_0842

ninbot and ninjam recordings are great for me ,specially taking in count they are for free,also feel they have enough bottom end,and even could say that the mp3 compression has a kind of "pleasant" sound when comes to a drum kit(this should generate polemic,lol) those recordings are just files that let us enjoy our played jams without having to bother about pressing a record button,or loading and mixing into reaper a saved ninjam session (terrible disk space eater when you forgot to de-engage) ,thats exactly what anyone looking for a better mixing should do

I understand the point.
Fact is Reaper records the whole thing and puts all of the same folders on my drive. So I get the good sounding version. I was working on this thread because I was curious as to why my live version, my local Reaper recorded version (clipsort.log etc) and the web Mp3 files don't sound nearly alike.

I will get back on with someone tonight and try my noise xmitting for three minutes to see if I can get the system to pick up that session.

have you rendered your local recordings as mp3 128 kbps? i think thats the ninjam recordings bitrate,may it sound less full than any vaw file even coming from a mix with ogg files,and may be you are saving your local file as uncompressed ,so it will sound better too.
anyway now im curious about the result of your test

I think 2 have to play before it Records in a server.

it must be 1 minute long and there must be 2 people xmitting.

I was wrong. Pink and white noise came out flat - exactly as I sent them to Reaper/NIMJAM. The Mp3 was dead on.

Hmmmmmm

Apparently my monitor is not flat. Gonna have to figure that out.

now that is a real problem then...but how do you compared the signals before to tell one was less bassy than the other...with those same monitor system?....not making much sense to me

maybe the person playing bass on the jam was stereo
and you didnt have them panned.

It's best really to have the Bass Mono and EQ'd at the right place. Only really FX on a Bass wanna be stereo if needed.

I used pink and white noise that goes from 20-20khz and compared the waveforms. They look the same. No big drop in the lows